Big USA – Cuba Announcement? | Debbie's Caribbean Resort Reviews Forums

Lots of changes comming it looks like.The last 3 of the 5 are being released, so I guess Cuba will be able to take down those billboards now, or at the very least have to update and change them to be accurate about the anti-US message…lolHopefully its still years before it is flooded with American Tourists and prices go up and it totally changes the vibe and feel of Cuba!!

Thanks for posting news radar. I guess we have to wait 45 more minutes to hear what both presidents have to tell us. Definitely this will be interesting to see if finally 2 neighbors can live in peace. Anyone hoping we will have some good news?

I have listened to President Obama’s speech. I am more impressed with the guy than I have been previously. He has still used language that suggests that the intent is more US influence in Cuba, but then maybe he has to say that to try not to get criticized too much for going "soft on Cuba".At least it’s a start.

Any guesses as to when this will come into effect? I’ve read so much today on the topic but didn’t notice a time line.

What scares me the most is the speech the president Obama gave.

It is good that they realize they did wrong by placing and maintaining the embargo for so many years. But the speech sounded like they would be the Shining Knight coming to save ‘poor’ Cuba. He said that they would bring medicine, telecommunications, American Credit cards and resource development. …….Hold it….. Cuba have good medical care as while not 100% state of the art, their medical care is not held hostage by big Pharma companies and over paid doctors as they have in the States. The Americans would offer resource development….Sherritt Gordon from Canada there for years and other "non" American companies working along side the Cubans…. Me think that large body of oil just north of Cuba that is untapped might be what they are referring to????? … Poor Atlantic Ocean ….Telecommunications….. while slower than here in Canada…it was fine and progressing rather well. Plus……people still go out in the street to chat rather than sit beside each other in a cafe texting each other…..

I was so angered when I heard The President talk…. I kept asking myself, "does he really know what he is talking about?" … Certainly not the Cuba I experienced over so many years. I do not often get this vocal on forums about politics…. but I am concerned for Cuba…… Hope they stay strong! I really do not want Monsanto industries, Walmart, Dunkin Donuts nor MacDonalds for them. They have a rich culture that is a welcome addition to our global world.

American visitors, tourists are not all the same but often they are really pushy and demanding on mass (IMHO)….. additional revenue is good for Cuba. It is the potential of loosing identity as we here in Canada have experienced that is most troubling to me.

Canuks, as I mentioned, perhaps Obama had to say a lot of the things he said so as not to get in too much trouble at home (no, I don’t mean from Michelle – I mean from those who oppose anything that may seem as being "soft" on Cuba.)

It may all be part of the concept of Manifest Destiny, that many American leaders have held dear over the years, whether they realized it themselves, or not. I may be alone in my hopes, but it is my hope that by opening the dialog, that some Americans may learn more from Cuba, rather than teaching Cuba The Way according to America.

It’s all a bit mind boggling to me, but apparently, this has been going on for quite a while now, as it was announced on one of our local radio stations that Canada has been hosting secret talks between USA and Cuba since June of 2013. A lot of Obama’s words don’t surprise me, as I have heard much of it before. Some may recall that at one time when there was some discussion of the people to people tours, I had commented that it seemed more like the intent was to find ways for USA to have more influence in Cuba, rather than a way to promote cordial relations between the two countries. While I realize that Raul seems to have shown more flexibility recently than I can remember his brother showing, I think that one of his comments that was reported was to the effect that closer relations with USA would not weaken socialism in Cuba.Will Cuba lose their identity? probably not to the degree we seem to have in Canada. Cubans differ more from Americans than we do. Their political systems differ more than ours. I hope the list could go on and on. Also, I think that over the last 50 years, Cuba has gone its own way enough that Cuba is too smart to accept too much of the wrong kind of influence.I realize that a lot of these comments I have made might seem pretty random, but that’s how my thoughts are at the moment on this topic. But before I go away to try to organize my thoughts more, I wanted to mention one other thing. One of the comments on CBC suggested that the USA may be feeling that with relations between USA and Russia getting tense, and Putin making a recent visit to Cuba, that maybe Obama thinks it is time for the cold war on this side of the Atlantic to warm up a bit.Anyway, here’s hoping that it will all be a positive thing for both USA and Cuba.

Canuks, I totally agree with your posted summary. I also hope that Cuba doesn’t go in the way that Cancun and the Riviera Maya in Mexico have gone. Too much Americanization. Walmart, McDonalds etc. etc. etc.

The number one thing that Cuba HAS TO DO is continue to make foreign ownership of real estate illegal. There is no way that the regular guy (or gal) on the street, can possibly stand up to the Americans coming in and buying up the housing for speculation. Cuba MUST remain in the hands of the Cubans alone.
I am however looking forward to the next season of Survivor "Havana Club".
RadarThank-you for starting this thread, I find it easier to follow and understand here.Canuks

You are echoing what allot of people are thinking and feeling. My alarms have been set off for a while now, especially when my favorite spots in the Cayos started to develop like mad; it is like the Cubans have been planning and getting ready for the re-American invasion. Most Americans are really nice people, they just get to the point allot faster and don’t put up with much BS. We all best enjoy our version of Cuba while we can. Suppose the good thing is while Cuba becomes really popular and the prices go up, other destinations will drop their prices to win back their Guests; Hubs and I look forward to this.

If all these changes happen, and I know it could take awhile, Cuba will not resemble even remotely what it has been for the past years and what most Canadians have come to enjoy about the country.It will follow the way of Mexico and the Dominican ect with a strong US influence, especially as it is the closet of any Caribbean countries to the US.I have NOTHING against the US at all, but i have enjoyed Cuba much more than other Caribbean countries during the past few years just the way it has been and is now.

Will be interesting to see how quickly things change. Once they start, it usually goes quicker and quicker!

I found the Cuba – USA announcement to be a bit underwhelming.A – the USA does have a "US Interest Section" in Havana as the Cubans do in Washington. So the USA get’s an Embassy. What about the Cubans in Washington?B- travel restrictions will be eased. I see this as Americans, perhaps, now being able to go to Cuba without paying for overprices OFAC Licensed Tours.C – US credit cards and debit cards will be accepted in Cuba. This is a good way for the USA to track citizens that travel to Cuba. Especially if the still need an OFAC License to travel. – the debit card thing has me miffed. Best I know Cuba can’t handle debit cards.D- funny how the 3 member of the Cuban Five that are/were released are "spies" but the one held in Cuba for 15 years is an "Intelligence Agent".Well I guess it is a start. I am trying to track down a translation of Raul’s address on the topic.
I found the Cuba – USA announcement to be a bit underwhelming.A – the USA does have a "US Interest Section" in Havana as the Cubans do in Washington. So the USA get’s an Embassy. What about the Cubans in Washington?B- travel restrictions will be eased. I see this as Americans, perhaps, now being able to go to Cuba without paying for overprices OFAC Licensed Tours.C – US credit cards and debit cards will be accepted in Cuba. This is a good way for the USA to track citizens that travel to Cuba. Especially if the still need an OFAC License to travel. – the debit card thing has me miffed. Best I know Cuba can’t handle debit cards.D- funny how the 3 member of the Cuban Five that are/were released are "spies" but the one held in Cuba for 15 years is an "Intelligence Agent".Well I guess it is a start. I am trying to track down a translation of Raul’s address on the topic. Hi Radar,I did a kind of "quick and dirty" translation with Google translate. I am sure it has lost something between the original and Google’s version, but it does give some idea of what he said. This comes from his commentary in Granma. (Sorry, I haven’t been able to find a proper translation either.)———————————————-compatriots:Since my election as President of the Councils of State and Ministers, I have reiterated on many occasions, our willingness to support the government of the United States respectful dialogue, based on sovereign equality, to discuss different topics reciprocally without prejudice to national independence and self-determination of our people.This is a position that was expressed to the Government of the United States, public and private, by comrade Fidel at different times in our long struggle, with the approach of discussing and resolving differences through negotiations without giving up one of our principles.The heroic Cuban people have demonstrated against great dangers, attacks, hardships and sacrifices, is and will be true to our ideals of independence and social justice. Closely united in these 56 years of Revolution, we have kept deep loyalty to those who fell defending these principles since the beginning of our wars of independence in 1868.Now we carry, despite the difficulties, updating our economic model to build a prosperous and sustainable socialism.Result of a dialogue at the highest level, including a telephone conversation I had yesterday with President Barack Obama, has made progress in addressing some issues of interest to both nations.As Fidel promised, in June 2001, when he said, will return !, arrived in our country today, Gerardo, Ramón and Antonio.The sheer joy of their families and all our people, who mobilized tirelessly to that end, extends between the hundreds of committees and groups of solidarity; governments, parliaments, organizations, institutions and personalities that during these 16 years and made strenuous efforts demanded for his release. All of them express our deepest gratitude and commitment.This decision by President Obama deserves the respect and recognition of our people.I want to thank and acknowledge the support of the Vatican, and especially, the Pope Francis, the improvement of relations between Cuba and the United States. Similarly, the Government of Canada for the facilities created for the realization of high-level dialogue between the two countries.In turn, we decided to release and send to the United States to a Cuban spy who served in that nation.Moreover, based on humanitarian grounds, today was also returned to his country US citizen Alan Gross.Unilaterally, as is our practice and strict adherence to our legal system, have received benefits corresponding criminal inmates, including the release of persons for whom the Government of the United States had shown interest.Likewise, we agree to the restoration of diplomatic relations.This does not mean that the main thing is resolved. The economic, commercial and financial blockade caused enormous human and economic damage to our country must cease.Although sanctions have been converted into law, the President of the United States can modify your application using its executive powers.Propose to the Government of the United States take mutual steps to improve bilateral climate and move towards normalization of ties between our countries, based on the principles of international law and the United Nations Charter.Cuba reiterates its willingness to sustain cooperation in multilateral bodies such as the United Nations.Recognizing that we have deep differences, mainly on national sovereignty, democracy, human rights and foreign policy, I reaffirm our willingness to discuss all these issues.I urge the Government of the United States to remove obstacles that prevent or restrict the links between our peoples, families and citizens of both countries, in particular those relating to travel, direct mail and telecommunications.Progress in sustained exchanges show that it is possible to find solutions to many problems.As we have said, we must learn the art of living, in a civilized manner, with our differences.On these important issues we will speak later.Thank you very much.

Good for you, CubaJack-I always screw it up. Your translation is pretty darn close, I think!

Gracias Amiga y Jack. It sounds like Raul’s was less detailed with more to come later.It will be interesting to see what comments he has in the future.

Ok, so we’re not talking "Apocalypse" and "invasion of the body snatchers", but Raul answering the door and opening it a crack, chain on the door (imho). Raul continues to be cautious, and rightly so , as there are bigger issues at play. My Cuban friends say that they are not worried about McDonalds or Nike coming to town, But understandably worried ( and perhaps not sufficiently infomed) about the buying power and rights of the average Cuban, which hopefully will be preserved and enhanced.

I have to say, a surprising number of people have offered their "condolences" to me about this news; they imagine Cuba will become Americanized in the next two weeks. I don’t know what will happen.Change is inevitable. I hope Cubans will be able to make the best decisions for their country while preserving their very unique island, without any external influence. Stay tuned, folks!
I’m similarly underwhelmed. This is good news however in that it does set the table for more serious discussion.The release of the remainder of The Five is definitely cause for celebration! I’m also happy for Alan Gross and his family and I’m sure Raul is also happy to be rid of him. Some obstacles have been removed but now the real work begins and once the excitement dies down I think we will find that they are really no closer than they were last week.

Cautiously optimistic may be a bit of an overstatement. At least it’s a step forward and not back.

I believe that Obama is doing the right thing for the right reasons, but would I really be a pessimist in thinking that this has something to do with that 2016 Presidential campaign?

Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz have come out as staunch supporters of the embargo. Bush, I’m not quite sure about. You can bet that Rubio (if he runs) will make this an issue and force Bush to state a clear position. In short, it could cause problems for some of the Republican candidates. And then of course there is the Florida vote; one of the most highly contested and important States in the race to the Whitehouse. Have the Democrats determined that better US-Cuba relations is the right side of the issue?

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