Trump to reverse Cuba policy? – Cuba – Debbie's Carribean Reviews Forums

Admin 2017-05-30 17:53:57 UTC #2

Was there any changes anyway? Embargo is still there after 57 years. It’s shame that people in Cuba suffer for so many years. So far it was great for US airlines who fly to Cuba many times per day.

BobMichaels 2017-05-31 00:25:59 UTC #3

Who has noticed that every mention in the news of this change in policy is based on the one article? And, the article itself is based on two unnamed sources. (remember what Trump said about "unnamed sources"?)Who has figured out the is decidedly conservative and is not known for it journalistic integrity?

Who remembers Chicken Little and "the sky is falling, the sky is falling"?

Let us not forget that there have been direct flights from the US to Cuba for 25 years. And the number of flights currently is only slightly more than 3-4 years ago before "supposedly Obama changed everything".

Also, the us not forget the Trump currently does not even time to address his stated priorities of health care reform, immigration, terrorism, and budget / tax reform because he is up to his ass dealing with his administration’s Russian problems which get worse every day.

Spunky 2017-05-31 01:46:08 UTC #4

For Cuba, I think Marco Rubio’s ambitions and control over key Senate groups continues to push the Anti-Castro old Cuban brand that promoted him to unearned heights. The guy is an air-head yet Cuban Americans continue to vote for him.
Why that same group of voters would go on to support Chester Cheeto despite his all-out effort to do a deal with Gaviota on new hotel deals tells a lot about American education.

BobMichaels 2017-05-31 03:00:55 UTC #5

Spunky: it does not appear that Senator Marco Rubio has ever set foot on Cuban soil. I have written to his offices as well as speaking with them on the phone quite a bit as he represents we Floridian’s in Congress. I have asked his staff in Washington DC, his staff in Miami, and his staff in Orlando if they know how much time he has spent in Cuba. I am always told they do not have that information. I ask if anyone there know if he has ever been to Cuba. None of his staff have any information about him actually going to Cuba.

Now even the Governor of Mississippi went to Cuba recently, but not our Senator who is so outspoken about Cuban issues.

Rubio’s official bio used to say that his parents moved to the US to escape Communism after Castro took over. Then someone pointed out that the immigration records showed his parents arriving in the US in 1957. He replied that his parents must have been confused about when they came to the US vis-a-vis the Revolution and changed his bio.

The US has not had official Ambassador to Cuba even though the embassy has been open for several years now. Rubio is in charge of scheduling the vote for Congress to approve the President’s selection of an Ambassador. Rubio continually says he will never schedule a yes or no vote for anyone to be Ambassador to Cuba as he does not think we should have one.

cubajack 2017-06-04 12:01:21 UTC #7

Of all the reports I have read or heard on this, there are none that seem to have actually originated with the president. I think he has way too many other things to think about, and Cuba is too far down in his list of priorities. Most of it seems to be wishful thinking by a few other people.

beardo 2017-06-10 03:15:44 UTC #8

In his first Miami trip as president, Donald Trump plans to announce his changes to the Obama administration’s U.S.-Cuba policy.

cubajack 2017-06-11 13:45:54 UTC #9

Lots of speculation around on the internet about what he might say, but here’s my take:

First, I think DJT will do whatever he thinks will divert attention away from his other problems. Second, since he is going to make the announcement in Florida, he is going to say things that appeal to the hard-line Cuban exile community. And third, if Obama did it, he will insist it needs to be undone.

As far as concessions Cuba is expected to make, the only one that some might consider legitimate is the repayment for US businesses that were nationalized by the Revolucion. But as broke as Cuba is, that has pretty much a snowball’s chance in heII. As the old saying goes, you can’t get blood out of a stone.

Any other concessions come under the heading of trying to tell another country how to run their own internal affairs. Like our Prime Minister, I don’t believe that one country should be doing that to another. Furthermore, what right does DJT have to try to tell Cubans how to run their country, when he clearly can’t run his own.

cubajack 2017-06-16 02:54:51 UTC #10

Thoughts on the eve of the “new Cuba policy announcement” (2017/06/15):

I have read a few things over the past day or so, and I think I’ll go out on a limb and make a prediction. I think we will hear quite a bit of tough talk, but see very little real change. There will be talk of stepping up enforcement of the rules, and some call for Cuba to make more concessions. But, in fact, OFAC doesn’t have the resources to enforce much of anything, and Cuba has less incentive to make any concessions to a more hostile US administration. The biggest change on the USA side will likely be requiring the people-to-people category to once again be done under a group tour arrangement.
DJT is, of course, very good at bluster and tough talk, but his record of actually having accomplished anything is abysmal. All he has accomplished so far seems to have been to make many Americans feel uneasy about their prospects to actually enjoy life, and his Cuba policy will likely be just more of the same.

eeeefarm 2017-06-16 11:07:23 UTC #11

Whether Trump listens to other points of view is debatable, but since the old policy on Cuba never worked he may decide not to roll back everything Obama did, and I think he will try to avoid annoying Cuban Americans by changing anything regarding their ability to visit and support family in Cuba. There’s another aspect that hasn’t seen much discussion, but it should. Article here.

jetpilot 2017-06-16 14:36:54 UTC #12

Everyone is concerned with what the USA is going to do, while the Russians will just go in, establish, and show their presence. Can’t be trusted!

Admin 2017-06-16 14:55:08 UTC #13

Just now on TV they said that 600000 US citizens visited Cuba last year. That is big number.

cubajack 2017-06-16 19:29:05 UTC #14

From what I have heard so far, it sounds like my prediction of last night wasn’t too far off. It seems the tough talk includes promises (threats?) of tighter enforcement, but we will have to wait and see if that enforcement really happens. My guess is that nobody will really care if people travel to Cuba, just as nobody has cared for the past ten years or so.

bellagio1 2017-06-16 19:57:35 UTC #15

I think you are right Jack, That is unless you get some ‘Jobsworth’ US Immigration official who wants to play it by the book and make a name for himself, and they do exist.

Spunky 2017-06-16 21:37:49 UTC #16

If they assign a role in preliminary travel audit to Immigration it will be a big deal. You will see "Jobsworths" going "by the book". Otherwise, I’m not sure OFAC has the budget to do much of an audit unless new money is approved by Congress.Interesting that POTUS went after Gaviota after they turned him down a few years back and he put his US competitors Marriott and Sheraton and his International competitor Kempinski in jeopardy of US prosecution.Of course, Gaviota and the other real estate arms of the Cuban army will spin off new corporations to hide the association but what a waste of time.

Friday afternoon in East Little Havana offered Trump his favorite part of politics: praise from people who feel his promise has been kept.

Admin 2017-06-21 00:02:12 UTC #17

So it looks like more Cubans coming to USA and not too many Americans to Cuba?

cubajack 2017-06-22 02:34:35 UTC #18

Over the past few days, there have been several articles published in Granma. They seem to show that the Trump policy will not have the effect of causing any change in Cuba, other than a stronger resolve to stick to their own point of view.

Revolutionary Government statement released June 16, in response to new Presidential Directive on U.S. policy toward Cuba, denounces Donald Trump’s intention to halt progress in normalization of relations

The Secretariat of the National Union of Writers and Artists of Cuba sent a message to its U.S. counterparts following the announcements made by President Donald Trump regarding relations with the island

The change in policy toward Cuba, announced June 16 by U.S. President Donald Trump, implies a setback in bilateral relations • Granma shares opinions and analysis from both sides of the Florida Straits

Press conference by Bruno Rodríguez Parrilla, minister of Foreign Relations of Cuba, in Vienna, Austria, June 19, 2017, Year 59 of the Revolution

Spunky 2017-06-22 15:40:13 UTC #19

Thanks for sharing those updates, Jack.

cubajack 2017-06-23 15:28:24 UTC #20

Here are two more articles that some of you may find interesting:

Accustomed to struggling and resisting, we Cuban women state to U.S. President  Donald Trump, that we do not accept walls, intervention or threats from anybody, and much less from those who wish to disregard the legacy which has sustained and…

The National Association of Small Farmers (ANAP) issued a statement following the announcements by U.S. President Donald Trump, which mark a step back in relations

Spunky 2017-06-23 16:20:11 UTC #21

Here are Marco Rubio’s Tweets (2 combined into 1)regarding the blacklisting of Cubancan and Gran Caribe hotels:

Marco Rubio‏Verified account @marcorubio Jun 17
"Not smart for travel reps to redirect U.S. travelers to "civilian" Gran Caribe & Cubanacan hotels in #Cuba.
#betterdealforcuba prohibits transaction with any business under control of military & both of these hotels are run by Col. Manuel Cruz."

I guess that leaves Islazul and ..

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