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"Take Sugar for example, in Cuba it costs 2 CUC for a kilo bag. In England I pay 49p at present."Ken, that must be at the dicise market. Where I buy my sugar at the local bodega window it’s 6 CUP/Pound for white sugar and 5 CUP/Pound for raw sugar. So that’s what, 20 dollar cents per kilo… Or 12-13p, right?First time I ever bought sugar at the bodega in Cuba I had a plastic bag and 2 CUC on me and having no idea of the price I just walked up and said ‘fill this with 2 CUC raw sugar’. I could hardly carry that bag home.

Oh, and the price above is not an error. Cuba is the only country I know where raw sugar is cheaper than processed white sugar.

Is this the difference between CUC stores for visitors and CUP stores for local residents?

"Go without mayo? Hubs thinks he can’t live without it!!"

…..but mayo can be purchased all over Cuba. It’s one of those things always on the shelves of the kiosks and CUC markets. To the point that I don’ get it. Sometimes they have no beer, no soda and no cigarettes, but there’s 500 jars of 5 different types of mayo. But I guess ‘it’s Cuba’…

Well, good! One less thing for hubby to pack.Actually it was here that I was told no mayo. I’d have to hunt for the thread.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Oops! I’m sorry, it wasn’t here that I read about the mayo.It was here (under Food):

No Mayo in Cuba

"Also salad Cream or mayo – none in Cuba." I just looked back at that article, and the original comment was from back in 2007. And, knowing something about the source, I suspect it was based on experience at a resort. Possibly only one resort. Unfortunately, a lot of the articles on TA may get to be out of date without anybody realizing it. Or, they may be somewhat specific to resorts, and may not be accurate for the country overall. Not that anybody is at fault, as it is hard to keep on top of all the information, but here is an example of how we can learn something new, and make sure the information gets updated.Thanks, Benni, DonTomas and Spunky for contributing to the knowledge base.

CJ: and you’re a mod! Tsk, Tsk. For Spunky: have you never been in a CUP store? You should get out more.

"Is this the difference between CUC stores for visitors and CUP stores for local residents?"You’re touching on one of the huge misunderstandings among many visitors to Cuba. I’ll try to define the two:CUC stores: Are for Cubans and foreigners. Stores with products in CUC. Anyone who wants to and can buy what is there.CUP stores: Are for Cubans and foreigners. Stores with products in CUP. Anyone who wants to and can buy what is there.Outside of resort areas, I would say at least 98 percent of all clients at CUC stores, what you call ‘stores for visitors’ are Cubans.What you might be thinking of is stores/bodegas selling subsidized/near free goods on the libreta (book of subsidized goods, not a rationing book). Sugar there is even cheaper with the libreta, until you have used your allowance of course. After that you can buy at the same price as everyone else. Which, in the case of sugar, is $5 CUP (moneca nacional) for a libra/pound.

The whole concept of ‘CUC stores’ honestly only exists inside the minds of tourists. No offense there Spunky, you’re the one who asked 🙂

All that said, if you’re staying on a resort and come straight from that world, there’s probably not a single thing you would dream of buying in a CUP store. A typical small one will have sugar, salt, flour, eggs, vinaigre, cooking oil, rum (of brands you have never heard of), peso cigars, beer (Cacique, Mayabe) and not much more.But you can buy anything you want there and while it’s a CUP store you can also pay with CUC, but would usually get your change in CUC. And if you pay with a 20 CUC bill buying a bit of sugar and 8 eggs, be ready for a huge stash of wrinkled CUP bills.

But forget the idea of CUC for tourists, CUP for Cubans. While CUP is rarely of any use for the regular tourist, ALL Cubans need CUC and most have CUC. Especially in cities, some places way out in the sticks in Oriente there are a few Cubans who can get by only using CUP.

Thanks Don Tomas! Makes totally perfect sense.

For me, I’ve always equated how things work or don’t work in Cuba with what we personally had experienced in the former East Germany before the fall of the Berlin Wall. Very similar circumstances which is why getting around in Cuba wasn’t very daunting for us and there were few if any "surprises" in the early 1980s when we actually had a collaborative project with colleagues at the University of Havana. Our first all-inclusive vacation in Cuba back in 1999 was the real eye opener!

CJ: and you’re a mod! Tsk, Tsk. For Spunky: have you never been in a CUP store? You should get out more.
Not sure if I missed something there. I hope I didn’t cause anybody any concern by visiting that "other forum".

Actually, there are only a few of those articles that I have contributed to, but the ones I have worked on, I have tried to keep them as up to date as I can, but I am still learning about Cuba, too.

Sorry DT, was just being polite. I should have said "the difference in stores that price their goods for Yumas and those that price their goods for locals.

Hmmm…. had no idea about the stores. I’m really getting an education here!

Now, if I can just get hubs to leave the peanut butter here!

Sund0g, the only CUP store in Cayo Largo is pretty much for workers only. I’ve stood outside and watched while a bundle of peso cigars were acquired.
What are some CUP stores in Varadero? We’re trying it out again for the first time in 7 years after falling in love with CL. Talk about being from the Styx, eh?

"Sorry DT, was just being polite. I should have said "the difference in stores that price their goods for Yumas and those that price their goods for locals."It’s not that I want to nitpick everything, but you’re pretty much saying the same again the way I read it, but maybe I am misunderstanding you.Granted, we may be talking from very different perspectives. If what you are talking about are stores in CUC in resort areas or even inside the resorts, then yes, they are priced for yumas as pretty much all of their clients would be yumas. My perspective on explaining this is not from being at a resort, but Cuba overall. And in the ‘normal’ Cuba there are thousands of stores in CUC, but they’re not in CUC to be priced for yumas.And I also think some tourists would be shocked at how many Cubans have money and what they haul home from these stores. In Havana for instance there are numerous malls and large CUC stores, selling not only food but also furniture, electronics, sinks, tiles, closets, airconditioners, you name it. And there are almost always endless lines there. I may stand around there for 10 minutes trying to decide between a lamp that costs $30 or $36 and at the same time a dozen Cubans will be pulling down $1000 airconditioners, $1500 fridges, $1300 flatscreen TV’s, sometimes there are 10, 15, 20 people and families in line. And it’s all in CUC and it’s all expensive and almost all clients are Cubans. Products are not priced in CUC for tourists, but for everyone (which of course in the end means mainly Cubans).Now the cigar or souvenir store at the resort, that’s priced for tourists since it’s only there because of the tourists there. So is the store with the paintings of old American cars in Old Havana. Off the tourist track (and that track covers 99.7% of Cuba) any and all CUC store is priced in CUC for Cubans/everyone.I think you are somehow hanging on to an idea of the CUC being for tourists. Or even originally invented for tourists. That is not the case.It will be good when they unify the two and we can avoid the confusion. It’s been there always and would probably never go away as long as there are two currencies out of which tourists pretty much only need one of them. When it is like that, I can understand why many tourists pretty much think the CUC is ‘tourist money’. It’s not. A better definition is that CUP is a money you can survive on buying various types of basic food products, pay your bills, take busses and almendrones with. Anything you need for a modest life where you and your family can survive. CUC is for luxuty goods or let’s just call it goods that the government deem that anyone can survive without. Quality beer and rum (inferior quality of both is available in CUP), hotels, rental cars, disco cover, most modern electronics, junk food at restaurants, ‘real’ taxis with signs, those not doing fixed routes.

That’s the difference. And in 2015 most Cubans need some or many of those things only available in CUC. Of course Havana is a different country almost when compared to the rest of Cuba. In Havana you have a serious problem if you don’t have access to CUC and not just a few dollars per month. In some small village in the mountains between Guantánamo and Santiago most people live exclusively in the CUP economy.

When did the CUC come into existence? I ask because when I first went to Cuba (2003) we dealt in U.S. dollars, but a year or two later it became necessary to convert to CUC and U.S. currency was no longer accepted.

That’s about what I thought. I went to Cayo Largo in January ’04, and CUCs were in use but some would still take U.S.

I spent some time on the Boulevard in Santa Clara checking out the shops, barely a yuma in sight anywhere, 99.9% Cubans. It was interesting to see what was available and the prices, and seeing who was buying what. It was a real eye opener. Incredibly busy and a lot of people buying. I didn’t see an area like that in the short time I was in Havana, but I would imagine that there are areas where it is that times 10.

Actually eeeefarm, I was hit up privately by someone asking if the CUC did not exist before 2004 and the correct answer is of course that it was put into circulation in 1993-1994 and worked alongside the dollar and Cuban peso for 10 years, but in late 2004 the dollar was made illegal to counter U.S. sanctions and the CUC became the only divisa, hard currency, and thus basically replaced the dollar.My answer yesterday was to not over-complicate things. If we’re starting out by explaining that the CUC is not tourist money, that’s a big ambition in itself and we probably shouldn’t have bigger ambitions than that for now.

Griz, like every other Cuban city Havana has a ‘bulevar’. It’s called San Rafael and stretches from Parque Central to Galiano. Galiano also has lots of stores including La Epoca. And while the bulevar in Havana has as many or more shopping Cubans as any other Cuban city, the really big shopping in Havana goes on in malls and ferreterias in Vedado, Miramar, Playa, out that way.

When did the CUC come into existence?

Just for clarification … the CUC has been in circulation since 1994 (not 2004) although it was in limited transactions for the first several years. It was in 2004 that the US$ ceased to be accepted, and CUC became the official hard currency. The transition period for universal circulation of the CUC was rather long. This should allay the concerns that some people may have about the CUC being discontinued … my guess is that will also be a long process.

CJ and Spunky; I apologize for laughing at you. You’re the two I like to read because you’re both logical, honest & humourous. But I couldn’t resist, seeing that you had posted one after the other! Hope I’m forgiven, I promise to watch my fingers (rather than watching my tongue!).

I was also doing some comparison shopping recently. Refrigerators (unknown to me brand names) were equivalent to CDN pricing. A very nice stainless steel Westinghouse breadmaker with all the bells and whistles 113 CUC. Very similar to home.

Beside it was a basic 2 slice toaster ($20 @ sprawlmart) for 118 CUC.  Interesting how power consumption is taxed at the source.

CJ and Spunky; I apologize for laughing at you. You’re the two I like to read because you’re both logical, honest & humourous. But I couldn’t resist, seeing that you had posted one after the other! Hope I’m forgiven, I promise to watch my fingers (rather than watching my tongue!). No worries, Sund0g. It’s all good. I was just having a laugh with you, and I didn’t take your comment in any other way than just having some fun.Best regards

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